Lunar Return and synastry

[StarVega]

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Sorry, we're working on it now...

[lucina]

StarVega

"You asked for a Christmas concert and he's honoring your wishes? I'm not even surprised..."
Well, it was after me listening to his "Butterflies don`t cry", and then we were joined by my aquaintance and others, and after a bit of chatting she brought up the memory how he had promised a christmas concert. (he did so almost 2 years prior to that on the very very strange concert, when I refused to take his autograph. lol and during the concert he had mentioned wanting to make a christmas concert in august, which I found endearing somehow. lol)

Anyway when my aquaintance mentioned it, I knew immediately what she was talking about (good memory, right? ) and just said something like: "Oh yes, we want our christmasconcert you promised!" something silly like that I said, I do not know totally exactly cause it was just a few moments before he jumped up and hugged me, and most of the things a bit before and afterwards seem a bit hazy in memory. lol


But so yes, I`ll be getting my christmas concert, or actually, it will be a pre-birthday concert for the both of us - not in summer, but I like it at that time, too.

Well of course it will not be FOR me, but I`ll be there and listening, too.


will continue answering later

[StarVega]

Oh come onnnn....it's for you. Let's just call a spade a spade for once.

Well you can play humble but I know my beliefs.

[lucina]

StarVega

"you singling out progressions from the other types of charts"
Yes, I did. Well Solar Arcs probably would fit here, too. Because it is eventoriented, manifestation-level.
Progression to me sais: Here and now.

If you want to check the purpose, the soullevel, the DRacos might figure in of course. But I think we will get lost in measurements this way.

In a way what I did here was a Yes-or-no-oracle.
If strong alignments of one Lunar Return specifics to the other personal placements happen,t hen some kind of event happens.
It is actually funny how reliable that worked so far. Though I must say that very oftne it seems to be my progressed Sun that is highlighted instead of my natal Sun.



"nto my progressed chart,"
While I believe in the power of loa, the progressed chart works if you pay attention to it or not.



" as if my clock was set to my husband's over a year before we met."
Maybe it was.



" Things may strike them both with the same force, when a transiting planet hits a shared diurnal angle. "
Yes, and actually that is why I pay more attention to the diurnal or return angle falling onto a natal planet, as this is highly specific.
Anyway sometimes things happen too with the return or diurnal angles being transited by transiting planets. HOwever that has been a often-equation to me, while if my natal planet falls onto a diurnal angle, it is an almost-always-equation. I remember one time when the diurnal MC fell onto my natal Venus, that I was being approached by a man, while sitting and waiting for a musical concert to start, who was telling me he was married to some of the actresses there but at the same time tried to make me leave the location with him to "grab a drink". lol Later that night, there was suddenly a man peaking through my kitchen window, in the middle of the night, and he had to come up a bit of the path, to ask me for an address, which startled me quite a bit at that time of day. lol
He was saying the truth, but he was also smiling at me as if he was considering that grabbing a drink was not a bad idea either. Well my Venus was becoming very public then I guess. lol
Anyway of course this has not happened every year when diurnal MC was on my Venus, so I guess there must have been something else in the progressions or transit or even lunar return that made that such a weird time.

On the other hand usually if my n Venus is on the MC or ASC (more reliably than IC or DESC), some Venusian things happen to me.


Actually I found something interesting.

Last saturday when P was writing to me, our diurnal chcarts had some kind of overlay.

my diurnal ASC was on 16 Libra (diurnal MC on 21 Cancer on natal VErtex exact)
his diurnal MC was on 17 Libra (diurnal ASC on 15 Sag)

while there were no natal planets conjuncted, this was squared by transiting Pluto exactly, and also conjunct our composite Pluto by 1-2 degrees.

In fact the composite of our diurnal charts for that day looked pretty interesting, unbeknownst to either of us. lol

diurnal ASC 16 Scorpio
transiting Moon 15 Scorpio
composite ASC 16 Scorpio

and the chartruler was Pluto and Pluto on the same degree as composite Venus. in exact sextile to the diurnal ASC and Moon.

Also the diurnal Vertex on 18 Gemini opposite our composite Mercury exact - and communicating we did I suppose.

Curiously the ASC and Moon in the diurnal chart were falling onto a supposedly sad midpoint Venus/Saturn, though possibly in this instance it was more real-life-stuff than saddening.

[StarVega]

Yay we were writing at the same time!

Be back later, I need to get more groceries for your dinner.

[lucina]

Oct 26, 2017 15:50:16 GMT StarVega said:

Oh come onnnn....it's for you. Let's just call a spade a spade for once.

Well you can play humble but I know my beliefs.

Just when I was thinking about the christmas concert, I thought to check its description, and since he does not really promote himself anymore, I was looking at the theatre where it will take place, and just stumbled across the mentioning of a "Role of a lifetime" concert and for a moment was confused, as in: Hasn`t that been long past?

But nope, seems he is doing one again on 16th february there. Which of course, well it just always remind me of the first concert of that title that I saw. Can`t help it, it`s burned in my braincells. I mean how often is someone being accused of driving the lead performer crazy, right? Well okay, it happened more than once, in more subtle ways though, somewhat. But still it was pretty extraordinary. lol 

Anyway so it was just sheer coincidence I stumbled across that one today, and good I did, the good seats were already sold out. lol Well the computer suggested I should take the seat at the far left in 1st row, which would have been exactly the spot I was sitting at in the first concert, but this is a different location, and well, this time I opted for the fourth seat in the fourth row at the right side. I mean I do not ALWAYS have to sit practically on his lap, right? 4th row seems okay, nicely far away from stage. (though on the other hand he`s even localized me before when I was completely hidden in a crowd. lol) 

Well but so, I don`t know. I don`t really think the concert is FOR me, but I guess we did remind him of that and he saw that there was interest, just as he had been - last july- announcing that he might do a concert on Halloween, but so many people said they were somewhere else - I was just the last person to say that, too. But it seems he figured that it wouldn`t be worth the hassle, at least there has not been any talk about a halloween concert since then, and well he now knows very definitely where I am going to be on Halloween. lol 


And as he said himself, sadly he is not going to be there. 

But the man has to earn money for a living, and I really don`t think he makes his choices for concerts because of me, though he possibly likes me being there. Sometimes. If I am not driving him crazy. Or being weird. Or him being weird. 
It`s always exciting to see who is playing the weird role at any given occasion. lol 

[lucina]

Oct 26, 2017 15:52:37 GMT StarVega said:

Yay we were writing at the same time!

Be back later, I need to get more groceries for your dinner.

Good girl! lol

[sven555]

Dinner!!!

[lucina]

Too late! NOw I am going to make my own one!

OKay so my mom cooked dinner yesterday and let me have the leftovers. But I put a few slices poultry sausage into it with my own hands! And I switched on the microwave all by myself!

(and yes, I am eating meat occasionally, I am courageous enough to admit it.)

[lucina]

Oct 26, 2017 15:50:16 GMT StarVega said:

Oh come onnnn....it's for you. Let's just call a spade a spade for once.

Well you can play humble but I know my beliefs.

I love your beliefs, they do encourage me.

Hey, at least I am able to believe that he must somewhat like me, maybe a bit more than most of the other fans - and that is a lot more than I was able to for many years! 

[lucina]

Oct 26, 2017 2:09:22 GMT StarVega said:

How did your LRs look, in those events?

1st workshop in december last year:

LR ASC on 10 Scorpio (curiously putting his n Chiron on my LR DESC and his wife`s name right on my LR ASC - it was I think the only time I ever saw him without his wedding ring since he got married. Maybe he forgot it. dunno.)

LR MC on 25 Leo on my pr Vertex and our composite Vertex, and possibly squaring his pr Moon 

I was having a Moon-Mars-conjunction in 3rd house. 

There were no really strong interconnections with his chart interestingly enough, unless we count his n Chiron on the LR DESC, and LR ASC falling near our composite chartruler Uranus. 

the ruler of the LR DESC, Venus, was on 27 Capricorn, so conjunct his own n Venus and opposing his JUno, and obviously activating our Draconic interplay from CAp-Cancer. 




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2nd workshop and concert


LR ASC 12 Leo
LR Sun on 9 Aquarius (on my pr Sun) and conjunct the DESC; Moon on 17 Aqua also conjunct the DESC widely - so it seems there was a widish hugging of Sun/Moon-mp to the DESC - hey I am having Moon on DESC again this coming month, just that now it is tighter, and without Sun!

- no really strong relation to his chart





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the communicative march, with the extra gifts and a lot of chatting - opps sorry, I am just seeing that on the day of the 2nd workshop and concert I     had a new lunar return starting, so scratch the above, this one here apparently was valid for the 2nd workshop, concert and our chatty march. lol 


LR ASC 2 Sag (square his nodal axis exact)
LR Jupiter on 22 Libra, opposing LR Mars on 20 Aries and LR Uranus on 21 Aries
- all of this overlaying his n Pluto on 21 LIbra in his 7th house, and our composite Mars-NN on 23-20 Libra


LR MC on 27 Virgo conjunct his n DESC and n Saturn on 26 Virgo and his n Vertex on 28 Virgo!

LR Vertex was exact on my n Saturn and opposing our composite Venus


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the april concert, with him returning my caketin to me


LR ASC on 13 Scorpio

DESC-ruler Venus on 27 Pisces conjunct Chiron on 26 Pisces exact on his natal ASC

LR MC on 29 Leo conjunct LR NN on 1 Virgo - conjunct his pr NN on 29 Leo and his n NN on 1 Virgo - he was having his nodal return that night, just in the hours following. lol



I will look up the rest later

[lucina]

july with him sneaking up on me on several occasions and us having this very weird facebook convo


LR ASC on 20 Scorpio conjunct his n Uranus on 23 Scorpio

LR MC on 10 Virgo conjunct his n Mars-Jupiter exact
LR Neptune on 14 Pisces on IC on his pr Venus on 12 Pisces


LR DESC-ruler, VEnus on 7 Gemini, EXACT on my n DESC, and opposed by his n Mercury



August
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when he was getting so enthusiastic about receiving a small something from me, and after that he was just plainly, well, nostalgic/ sentimental


LR ASC on 1 Taurus with my own Uranus on the LR DESC exact
LR DESC-ruler Pluto on 17 Cap, exact opposing my n Saturn and conjunct our composite Venus
LR MC on 13 Cap exact on his name in my chart




september (well he blew me that kiss from stage, which I still think I must have fantasized. lol)
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LR ASC on 14 Virgo conjunct LR Sun on 11 Virgo, with the ASC on his pr Mars on 14 Virgo exact and the LR Sun on his n Mars on 11 Virgo exact


LR Neptune on 12 PIsces on the DESC And his pr Venus
this was also the DESC-ruler


LR IC on 9 Sag on my n Neptune-NN and his n Mercury exact

LR Vertex on 23 Aqua exact square his n Uranus




the ongoing lunar return
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LR ASC on 14 Cap with LR Pluto on 16 Cap - again opposing my n SAturn, and conjunct his name in my chart and composite Venus

LR Vertex on 25 LEo conj. LR NN on 23 Leo squaring his n Uranus on 23 SCorpio

LR MC on 19 Scorpio (on his n Valentine, not sure this counts. his Dr Pluto is on 19 Taurus)


the intercepted lunar returnr uler Uranus on 27 ARies squares his n Juno exact (and his Venus by 2 degrees)

intercepted DESC-ruler was Sun on 8 Libra on my n Pluto, opposing his Draco Mars and DRaco Jupiter and n Ceres, not sure that is really such a strong relation.


I was having a Venus-Mars-conjunction in that Lunar REturn, too, Venus on 14 Virgo, Mars on 16 Virgo, falling onto his pr Mars on 14 Virgo

Well it seems that in most Lunar Returns, there was something strong hitting the DESC or DESC-ruler in particular, adding to ASC or MC-IC, but the DESC-ruler got my attention in particular.


Also I noticed that if my name was angular in his Lunar Return or his name on an angle in mine, it seemed to highlight that we have something to do with each other. 
Apart from that for the recent ones his progressed Venus-Mars-opposition (still applying) along with his n Mars and n Venus seems to have been somewhat of the culprit, sometimes along with the ASC/DESC-axis and DESC-ruler.

and if he really surprised me, uranus seemed to ahve been part of the brew.

[StarVega]

^ I like the way you summarize and pick up the patterns there, lucina.

I wonder what happens when there are even stronger LRs, like LR ASC conjunct your suns.

I guess we'll just have to see.

[lucina]

I don`t think we`ve ever had LR ASC conjunct Sun, curiously enough.

Well I was having a peak at the lunar return that will start on the next time I am maybe possibly seeing him. Well most probably. lol

My Lunar Return will have:

LR ASC on 26 Scorpio, putting his pr MOon onto the DESC
DESC-ruler Venus on 22 Scorpio exactly conjunct his Uranus

I will also have my Mercury-Return that day



His Lunar Return will have

LR ASC on 0°55 Scorpio, EXACTLY on my n Uranus

DESCruler Venus on 17 Scorpio - opposing my name in my chart and squaring my MOon
and didn`t this degree pop up before? Just on an angle? lol


LR IC will be on my pr Sun


I just found it funny how we both will have Scorpio-ASC and strong aspects to each other`s Uranus.

[StarVega]

Oct 28, 2017 19:47:25 GMT lucina said:

I just found it funny how we both will have Scorpio-ASC and strong aspects to each other`s Uranus.

That should be interesting, to see what happens.