Differences between Virgo and Pisces

[sven555]

Hi StarVega and FruityLlama,

I started a new thread here to prevent the topic from going off at a tangent.

As you said StarVega

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Well it's interesting also, the contrast between Virgo and Pisces moons. Virgo is methodical, piece by piece, assembling nuts and bolts; if a Virgo helps you, they need to be able to perform their craft under optimal circumstances, and the effects can be miraculous. But they can't really help people who are constantly upsetting the balance, knocking over their tools, etc. I think this is why Virgo energy tends to be nervous; they want to help but it's a painstaking process.

Meanwhile I think Pisces moons generally aren't even consciously aware of what they're doing, aside from just being nice and acting unaffected by others' hard edges.

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I completely agree with this, virgos need optimal surroundings to thrive. I try my best to be adaptive, but it never produces the same results. I sometimes feel like Pisces is the one to destabilise but I think fire (Aries/Sag) is more likely to undo Virgos work.

About smelling danger, I wouldn't say it is Scorpio ASC alone, because I have a friend with the same ASC and he doesn't act on the danger, he lets it happen. Maybe it's Scorpio asc with a Virgo moon which prevents it from happening?

[StarVega]

Thanks for transferring the conversation for us sven555.

I can see how Pisces destabilizes Virgo, very strongly, often asking Virgo to redesign their systems from the ground up, challenging their most fundamental assumptions. It's as exhausting as any opposition at its worst.

Yet if both people are tolerant, and other planets in their charts are cooperating, it can be really lovely.

More to say tomorrow...

[sven555]

no worries, StarVega ; just trying to make good practice

Pisces has the vision; Virgo has the tools. They both work to build a lovely piece of art. Both have the skills to imagine and build; but their ways are often different to each other; but they can bring the best out of each other through patience and clarity. I don't think having opposite Moons is the worst combination to have in synastry; but yes it depends on the other planets, configs, houses, declinations etc.

Having Sun opposite Sun in Virgo and Pisces would be a more challenging combination because of the nature of the planet's expressions.

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Example 1:

As you may remember in my instance; my SO has Pisces Moon squaring my Mercury/Jupiter axis. Mercury in Gemini/Jupiter in Sag. This challenges the way I think from the SO; as the Moon in Pisces creates a T-square formation. Yet challenging; the assurance is comes from our Moon's other transits and Sun/Mercury.

Sun and Mercury in each other's signs Taurus/Gemini. The Moon of mine aspects my SO's Mercury/Mars closely which creates a Grand Trine with my SO's Jupiter and Mercury/Mars. Also our Moon's fall in each other's water houses (SO moon in my 4th, my Moon in SO 8th house).

Look this is no perfect solution, but it leads to forming some compromise if disagreements are happening. 

Example 2:

My brother has a similar situation too. His Sun in Gemini is squaring his SO's Sun in Virgo. But not just his SO's Sun; Sun, Mercury and Jupiter all in Virgo; so from observation his SO gets irritated by his style often, because his Sun challenges the Sun (expression), Mercury (communication style) and Jupiter (philosophy, methods) all at once! His Saturn is in Pisces and combines with SO Mars in Cancer and his Venus in Taurus; but it seems rather harmonious. 

Just some food for thought.

[StarVega]

Hey sven555

Thanks for your insights and examples.

If my chart is correct then my sun's in the 6th house, and in any case, I can relate to perfectionism, maybe it's part of the Capricorn constitution as well. Well if you have a strong sense of what rightness looks and feels like, you can't just ignore it or leave it halfway done. The gestalt, the whole, the finished product, it's calling out to you. Of course, that's the Pisces-axis component of Virgo, the ear for pure spiritual archetypes ("cleanliness is next to godliness" - such a Virgo/Pisces expression!) Also, Mercury rules Virgo and Neptune rules Pisces...with Mercury conjunct Neptune, or these powers combined, you have the potential to really channel the Universe coherently.

And Pisces will criticize and sometimes seem more Virgo than and a Virgo, with their psychic probing that seems to permeate all levels and can be like borderline witchcraft, the manipulation is so subtle but so deep. What Virgo wants to be on the receiving end of this?

Yet a strong Virgo is strong enough to overpower even that.

And the fusion energy when they are both functioning at a higher vibration, well considering that Pisces is the final and reputably most evolved sign, this is an ideal of love that perhaps nothing else compares to. But perhaps that is only caught in glimmers, and lost in a sea of arguments about mundane things, as it was between myself (Pisces moon) and my long-term Virgo moon boyfriend.

"Having Sun opposite Sun in Virgo and Pisces would be a more challenging combination because of the nature of the planet's expressions."

I agree. Definitely.

My ex's Virgo sun opposing my Pisces moon, and we have been bound up with each other since we met, no matter the distance or circumstances, the etheric connection has never ended nor diminished, and I just learned that recently from him, when he told me.

Part of the strange beauty of our connection exists in emptiness and letting go. I would always just let him go. So he was free to be himself and develop everything his own way, undisturbed, perfecting his own life...and I was just there to appreciate it or endure it, whatever it was. And then, of course, if someone is not all there (Pisces: absent, dreaming or just plain gone) it's easier to just project on them and think whatever you want about them. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Right, almost nothing is perfect, and even the perfect is temporary, like a kaleidoscope taking shape and then falling to pieces again. That's kind of like this axis to me....though, I think they take turns being in shape and being in pieces. 

[sven555]

Sept 5, 2018 15:51:03 GMT StarVega said:

Hey sven555

Thanks for your insights and examples.

If my chart is correct then my sun's in the 6th house, and in any case, I can relate to perfectionism, maybe it's part of the Capricorn constitution as well. Well if you have a strong sense of what rightness looks and feels like, you can't just ignore it or leave it halfway done. The gestalt, the whole, the finished product, it's calling out to you. Of course, that's the Pisces-axis component of Virgo, the ear for pure spiritual archetypes ("cleanliness is next to godliness" - such a Virgo/Pisces expression!) Also, Mercury rules Virgo and Neptune rules Pisces...with Mercury conjunct Neptune, or these powers combined, you have the potential to really channel the Universe coherently.

And Pisces will criticize and sometimes seem more Virgo than and a Virgo, with their psychic probing that seems to permeate all levels and can be like borderline witchcraft, the manipulation is so subtle but so deep. What Virgo wants to be on the receiving end of this?

Yet a strong Virgo is strong enough to overpower even that.

And the fusion energy when they are both functioning at a higher vibration, well considering that Pisces is the final and reputably most evolved sign, this is an ideal of love that perhaps nothing else compares to. But perhaps that is only caught in glimmers, and lost in a sea of arguments about mundane things, as it was between myself (Pisces moon) and my long-term Virgo moon boyfriend.

"Having Sun opposite Sun in Virgo and Pisces would be a more challenging combination because of the nature of the planet's expressions."

I agree. Definitely.

My ex's Virgo sun opposing my Pisces moon, and we have been bound up with each other since we met, no matter the distance or circumstances, the etheric connection has never ended nor diminished, and I just learned that recently from him, when he told me.

Part of the strange beauty of our connection exists in emptiness and letting go. I would always just let him go. So he was free to be himself and develop everything his own way, undisturbed, perfecting his own life...and I was just there to appreciate it or endure it, whatever it was. And then, of course, if someone is not all there (Pisces: absent, dreaming or just plain gone) it's easier to just project on them and think whatever you want about them. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Right, almost nothing is perfect, and even the perfect is temporary, like a kaleidoscope taking shape and then falling to pieces again. That's kind of like this axis to me....though, I think they take turns being in shape and being in pieces. 

Wow, ok that makes sense now. Mercury/Neptune has that potential for obsession for cleaning as you say.

My SO's mother is obsessed with cleaning; but doesn't have anything in Virgo/Pisces; not sure of her TOB, but she has a tight square between Mercury/Jupiter and a Cappy Moon.

I like what you said about Virgo/Pisces.

Sun/Moon opposition is a magnetic connection?

[StarVega]

Hi sven555

Thanks

I do think sun opposing moon is magnetic...not necessarily good, but binding.

Might work out better in some signs than others.

Have you had experience with it?

[sven555]

Sept 8, 2018 0:08:41 GMT StarVega said:

Hi sven555

Thanks

I do think sun opposing moon is magnetic...not necessarily good, but binding.

Might work out better in some signs than others.

Have you had experience with it?

hey hey StarVega,

Strangely, I haven't often been involved with people whose Sun or Moon opposes my Sun or Moon; and if I have it has not been enduring.

But until now, I think my SO father's moon is opposite my Sun; and my Sun/Mars squares his Moon/Sun creating a grand cross with other aspects such as Venus/Mars conjunction. From sight, it feels dynamic with him and we learn a lot from each other and have interesting conversations despite the fact neither of us can speak each other's language very well.

Not had it with any partner before though.

Have you had it with any other people?

[StarVega]

I'm glad it sounds positive with your SO's father, sven555. His moon falls in your first house? Might lend some natural trust, easy rapport, even in Scorpio?

My sun opposing their moon, not many examples that I know of. I warm to these folks automatically if my moon trines theirs. But there is great potential for things to get screwed up; it's complicated because my sun is in a heavy t-square with Jupiter and Pluto. Cancer moons are too delicate for all this. I don't even know how to appeal to them, it's like we are different species.

My moon opposing their sun, well I have a huge soft spot for Virgos, but can't seem to keep them around me no matter what I do. My moon is in a t-square with my Mars and Neptune.

Still, this is probably my favorite sign, Virgo.

[sven555]

StarVega, i think you are right; Moon in 1st house perhaps leads to familiarisation

maybe they have another planet in Virgo or Pisces, besides the Sun/Moon? If your planetary configs flavour your Sun/Moon differently then perhaps you attract more of another sign?

[StarVega]

Hi sven555

"maybe they have another planet in Virgo or Pisces, besides the Sun/Moon?"

Yes, I suppose that will affect the end result. Though I really have bad luck with Virgo suns regardless of whatever else is going on there. 

Edit - long story

Mutable signs in general are difficult to pin down.

"If your planetary configs flavour your Sun/Moon differently then perhaps you attract more of another sign?"

So far, the people I've stuck with for a long time are Leo, Cap, Pisces (my "big 3").

[sven555]

StarVega,

That makes sense then; perhaps your Pisces moon doesn't have the same affect on their Virgo Sun's.

I just looked at your chart and you have a t-square between Moon, Mars and Neptune with the Moon at the apex, which could be the Pisces attraction.

Your sun is will aspected and involved in a t-sqaure with Jupiter and Pluto, and this joins with your other t-square.

So your Sun and Moon are both sextiling each other, but both at the apexes of different t-squares.

For Leo, well you have Leo ASC and saturn in Leo (ruler of your sun in cap, and this is the ASC ruler)

[StarVega]

Hi sven555

Thanks for looking at my chart

I think I have 3 t-squares, Uranus is the apex of the third. But yes, it helps explain my affinities with certain signs.

Consistency is huge for me, because I guess I'm insecure.    

Virgos trigger my insecurities because they tend to be very picky, and my moon senses all their little expressions of dissatisfaction, I can see everything even if they would rather hide it, or I might imagine problems where they see no problems. But actually, usually my instincts are correct. So if I say or do something that is about to make them jump ship, I usually know it. Sometimes I can't help doing it anyway because I think they are being ridiculous, overly demanding, or totally blind to themselves. So you could say, I drive them away. But I think it's more like my Cap sun being unable to accomodate BS no matter how much I love a person. 

Well my Virgo ex applauds me for my "integrity" in leaving him the way that I did. 

I wanted to say "I would have rather had you than integrity..." but I decided to bite my tongue.

I guess sometimes signs just have their different Yellow Brick Roads, going in different directions. 

[StarVega]

Sorry for talking about myself so much.

Virgo and Pisces both have a reputation for being "players." Virgo might be driven by curiosity and Pisces just loves everyone. Virgo tends to be good looking (best looking sign in the zodiac according to many people) while Pisces is seductive because they can read and follow cues, using information they glean intuitively, to their advantage.

Since Virgo is in pursuit of knowledge, Pisces' ability to know things just out of thin air seems like the ultimate Holy Grail, and yet a non-spiritual Virgo may grapple with that and refuse to validate what's happening. So there's a fault line there.

[sven555]

Sept 11, 2018 13:49:56 GMT StarVega said:

Hi sven555

Thanks for looking at my chart

I think I have 3 t-squares, Uranus is the apex of the third. But yes, it helps explain my affinities with certain signs.

Consistency is huge for me, because I guess I'm insecure.    

Virgos trigger my insecurities because they tend to be very picky, and my moon senses all their little expressions of dissatisfaction, I can see everything even if they would rather hide it, or I might imagine problems where they see no problems. But actually, usually my instincts are correct. So if I say or do something that is about to make them jump ship, I usually know it. Sometimes I can't help doing it anyway because I think they are being ridiculous, overly demanding, or totally blind to themselves. So you could say, I drive them away. But I think it's more like my Cap sun being unable to accomodate BS no matter how much I love a person. 

Well my Virgo ex applauds me for my "integrity" in leaving him the way that I did. 

I wanted to say "I would have rather had you than integrity..." but I decided to bite my tongue.

I guess sometimes signs just have their different Yellow Brick Roads, going in different directions. 

I only pick out 3 of them because they were involved in the signs you highlighted (Leo, Pisces, Cap)

About the dissatisfaction expressions, sometimes those feelings are felt but then realised that it is not worth talking about as it is that person's style (being respectful).

Your Capricorn sun wants a bread sandwich for dinner  

Wow, that is quite a statement from a Virgo moon/sun

[StarVega]

Sept 12, 2018 17:57:04 GMT sven555 said:

Your Capricorn sun wants a bread sandwich for dinner

LOL

Sorry, I shouldn't post when I'm cranky and thinking about old problems. 

I thought of another saying that kinda matches Virgo/Pisces...