Geocentric to Heliocentric Synastry

[StarVega]

Ever compare these? Geocentric is the regular natal chart, with earth at the center and sky around it; helio maps out location of planets with sun as center.

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[StarVega]

Heliocentric Planetary Influence

After much experimentation with multiple thousands of charts, there was a recognition that the core influence associated with a planet bore the same characteristics between the systems. However, the heliocentric planets are functioning on a different wave length, so they are not completely interchangeable between the two systems. Maintaining identification of the system is necessary.

Each planet in each system has its own implications, yet within the framework traditionally associated with its influence. For example, both geo and helio Venus are linked with sociability, things valued, and a sense of success, but helio Venus seeks wider recognition than will satisfy geo Venus urges. The romantic implications of geo Venus may lead to a wedding, but the helio Venus becomes prominent if the wedding is a grand ceremony with a large guest list. Helio Venus is not intimately personal like geo Venus, unless one considers it in the light of what the successes and status it seeks does for the ego. And here we return to the significance of the Sun - helio.

The planetary influence from the heliocentric system draws us out to interact with the larger world, to those outside our more intimate circle of family, friends, and co-workers. It represents our status in the community or internationally; it is our public life and career; it is recognition or rejection by the wider world. The geocentric system is more significant of our private lives, although there are some exceptions to be considered when one gets into details.

As an overall concept, one can relate the heliocentric influence to the career and reputation Midheaven of the horoscope, and allocate the geocentric influence to the Ascendant and interests it represents. The divine discontent urging one to seek 'a place in the Sun' varies between individuals, and yet everyone does respond.

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Mixing Geo-Helio

The constant interweaving between our public and private lives, as well as in our concepts of recognition or simple involvement with the larger world, defies a neat separation. After working with a dual system chart for years, which originally came about as a solution to enhance a comparison of the systems, and without any idea of the revelations which would ensue, using a combined chart seems to be the only practical method.


www.astrologicalassociation.com/intheloop/intheloop_articles/heliocentric.php

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[lucina]

Erm, not quite sure about whoever wrote that above. Actually it contradicts the findings on heliocentric astrology being done by astrologers before; the heliocentric depicts the universe "as it is", not from our point of view on the earth, and thus usually astrologer relate it to the "(spiritual) reality/truth behind our personal experience". Something like that.

astrologystudy.blogspot.com/2011/02/heliocentric-astrology.html

"In approaching this, the traditional geocentric astrological chart is a chart of your personality and the actual physical earth-centered circumstances in which you find yourself, while the heliocentric natal chart is a map of your more inner self. I like to call the heliocentric chart your ‘dharma chart,” because it is a chart of what is behind or supporting your persona. Remember the traditional astrology chart is a snapshot of what? It is a snapshot of the entire solar system as seen only from Earth’s perspective. The heliocentric (astronomer’s) chart is the actual chart of the solar system itself, of what the earth’s view is but a snapshot of. We need both views to be complete."

michaelerlewine.wordpress.com/2010/08/08/understanding-the-solar-or-sun-perspective/


Philip Sedgwick also has a great writing on the heliocentric system. I just have to look for the book in my stuff. lol

Basically it seems to be a chart of the "higher Self" whatever that means to anyone. Some sort of spiritual energy/ knowledge/ awareness driving you to manifest things on earth (your trpical chart). So ouldn´t be further from the quoted author. lol

[lucina]

Example:

Helio Venus conjunct geo Mercury: you give expression of your core love energies (helio planets are always especially energized, as the fire of the sun is infusing them) in Mercurial terms on earth, communication, wirting etc. Possibly someone who couls write wonderful love novels with a lot of depth and energy behind them.

[lucina]

StarVega

also try the helio composite! 

I remember I was rather surprised when I first looked at ours. lol





emily dickinson success poem

[lucina]

our current progressed helio composite (just remembered that Mir was pointing this one out to me once upon a time, but then it seemed so long until then, and well then just became NOW. lol)



one use of aluminium

[StarVega]

Inner versus outer confuses me, as the barrier is sort of illusory: we absorb everything and the world absorbs us.

Yeah? Pisces moon fish philosophy.

But thanks lucina! Be back soon.

[lucina]

Exactly! That is the precise reason why I abandoned helio charts again.

Of course the inner as well as the outer is part of our charts anyway.


As for helio charts, I do look at them, but more so like watching things because of some aesthetical value, I don´t really get a feel for their meaning.

So yes P and me have some helio synastry that is very interesting, but I am just not sure what it really means, different from tropical. And this talk about higher Self, which I did myself years ago, it doesn`t really have meaning for me either anymore. So I feel a bit uncomfortable around those charts maybe I am just too dumb to get it.


Synastrically what we have is



my helio Mars 22 Scorpio
his helio Uranus 21 Scorpio
and geo Uranus 23 Scorpio
my helio Jupiter 22 Pisces
his geo Pholus 23 PIsces
his geo ASC 25 Pisces

my helio Venus 19 Cap
his helio Pluto 19 Libra
- it is at least interesting that the square that is "missing" from our normal synastry, is showing up here


my helio Venus 19 Cap
his helio Saturn 20 Virgo


my helio SAturn 13 Cancer
his helio Juno 13 Cancer

his helio Venus 6 Pisces
his helio Mars 5 Leo
my helio Pluto 7 Libra



and some bits like this, but really, it just doesn`t really "grip" me, helio synastry (juast like sidereal doesn`t do this, while Draco grips me a lot).

[StarVega]

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Oct 3, 2018 12:00:35 GMT lucina said:

StarVega

also try the helio composite! 

I remember I was rather surprised when I first looked at ours. lol

Lovely kite there  

I have one with my husband but that goes to show not all kites are created equal. 

Well the apex of ours is Chiron, conjunct my geo moon. Base is Uranus-Pluto opposing my geo moon.

Earth on my helio Chiron.....too much Chiron for me.
 

[StarVega]

Looking at Elvis' helio, as I weigh the public versus private interpretations. This chart looks like neither:





It looks unremarkable. 

The midpoints are interesting, though, especially where Venus shows up:

Mercury = Jupiter/Uranus (0°37, direct midpoint)

Venus = Mars/Pluto (0°02) and Mercury/Saturn (0°49, direct)

Jupiter = Venus/Mercury (0°51)

Neptune = Moon/Jupiter (0°15, direct) 

Uranus = moon/Venus (1°14) and Mercury/Pluto (0°47) (direct midpoints)
Electrically communicating depth, to delight of women? lol

Pluto = moon/Mercury (0°40)

[StarVega]

They list the earth and moon separately, with about 0°08 orb between them, in my chart anyway (not sure if that's variable).

Gonna list my helio midpoints without worrying about orbs or directness for the moment. Just want to put this here for a reminder to myself, basically.

All within 1°30. Almost every midpoint involves Mercury, Saturn, or both:

Earth = Mercury/Pluto, Mars/Saturn
Moon = Mercury/Venus
Mercury = moon/Saturn
Venus = Saturn/Neptune
Mars = Saturn/Neptune
Jupiter = Mercury/Uranus
Saturn = Mercury/Uranus
Neptune = Mercury/Saturn
Pluto = earth/Mars, moon/Mars

[pufferfishy]

Ha! I love when we get naughty with charts.

Synastry excerpts:

*(I was going to leave draco out of this, but some things jumped out at me. Will either add more consistently or erase later, lol.)

1.

My Helio Venus trine A's natal Sun

My Helio Mars conj A's natal Venus (repeated in synastry). Unfortunately, this also means my Helio Saturn squares that Venus.

My Helio Merc-Pluto conjunct A's natal Mars-Neptune (Neppy is a bit wide, only mentioning coz they're closely conjunct in the natal).

A's Helio Venus on my natal NN/Neptune/Uranus (and draco Sun).

A's Helio Mars on my natal Sun-Moon midpoint, sextile nSun-Moon (this is the only midpoint of mine I know or keep track of).

A's Helio Juno on my natal Moon/Asc. (Not a romantic relationship, but interesting).

A's Helio Saturn opposing my natal Venus (repeated from tropical synastry)

2.

A's Helio Earth/moon opposing my natal Merc/Mars.

A's Helio Earth/moon conj. my draco Moon/Asc

A's Helio Mars on my natal Uranus & draco Sun.

A's Helio Neptune on my natal Sun-Moon midpoint, sextile nSun/Moon.

My Helio Venus trine A's natal Venus/Jupiter/Saturn

A's Helio Pluto on my natal Sun (repeated from tropical synatry)

A's Helio Venus squaring my natal Mars, opp. n Saturn.

3.

A's Helio Earth/Moon opposing my natal Venus.

A's Helio mercury conj. my natal Moon.

A's Helio Jupiter-Saturn opposition squaring my natal Sun.

A's Helio Mars squaring my natal Nodes.

[pufferfishy]

P.S. I've also been confused about Helio charts. Not entirely on board with the signs. But I do relate to some of the aspects.
Merc conj. Pluto (which, incidentally, I also have in my mercury persona chart, 0° orb). This makes sense to me, because I exhibit those traits, but I have no natal Merc-Pluto aspect. Although it is in Scorpio, so that contributes. However, in these charts, there is a conjunction between Mercury and Pluto, on my natal Pluto. So maybe there's something to it.

Venus is all over the place. Square Jupiter (both at critical degrees), trine Saturn, sesquiquadrate Uranus-Neptune, opposing Merc-Pluto. Yay.

Neptune widely squares Earth/moon too, so there's that. Helio's the best version of me, apparently, so we gotta hope that's the good sorta Neptune.