Transits to relocation vs natal chart

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I was born in Eastern Europe but moved to Australia when I was a mere 2.5 years old and grew up there, and it got me thinking about my relocation chart and how it plays out in my life. Now, don't get me wrong, I believe the natal chart is my personality for life and there isn't diddly squat I can do to change that (not that I'm asking to), but I've started wondering if maybe transits can have more meaning when it comes to your relocation vs your natal chart, especially if you've been living in your relocated place for a very, very long time. After all, when we do our solar return charts, we always use the place where we're living as the point of reference, never the place where we were born.

I'd been doing a bit of comparisons lately by playing around with transits between these two charts and picking dates in my life that were rather significant to me. Admittedly, I'm in the rudimentary stages, but there are some transits that I'd noticed in my relocation chart that just blew my mind and explained perfectly what was going on in my life at the time, and it all made sense. The accuracy was actually kind of unnerving. When looking at these same transits in my natal chart, they didn't quite explain things...

I know that this is a rather small group for the moment, but I'm wondering if anyone here has lived in another country other than their country of birth (and one that puts them in a different time-zone) and, if so, have you noticed that transits to your relocation are more accurate than to your natal, or vice versa? I guess people who haven't really moved away from their home town can pitch in with stories of any friends they have who did move away, but I'm really interested in hearing first-hand stories from those who actually HAVE personally experienced it, and especially those who moved from a very young age and grew up in the non-motherland. You can say it's a little personal study I'm doing. Relocation charts fascinate me more and more.

[sven555]

Hey @chiamaria,

I can ask a friend of mine about her experience because she moved to live in a different country during childhood !

I'll get back to you

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Much appreciated, sven.

[anela]

Jun 9, 2017 17:47:27 GMT @chiamaria said:

I was born in Eastern Europe but moved to Australia when I was a mere 2.5 years old and grew up there, and it got me thinking about my relocation chart and how it plays out in my life. Now, don't get me wrong, I believe the natal chart is my personality for life and there's diddly squat I can do to change that (not that I'm asking to), but I've started wondering if maybe transits can have more meaning when it comes to your relocation vs your natal chart, especially if you've been living in your relocated place for a very, very long time. After all, when we do our solar return charts, we always use the place where we're living as the point of reference, never the place where we were born.

I'd been doing a bit of comparisons lately by playing around with transits between these two charts and picking dates in my life that were rather significant to me. Admittedly, I'm in the rudimentary stages, but there are some transits that I'd noticed in my relocation chart that just blew my mind and explained perfectly what was going on in my life at the time, and it all made sense. The accuracy was actually kind of unnerving. When looking at these same transits in my natal chart, they didn't quite explain things...

I know that this is a rather small group for the moment, but I'm wondering if anyone here has lived in another country other than their country of birth (and one that puts them in a different time-zone) and, if so, have you noticed that transits to your relocation are more accurate than to your natal, or vice versa? I guess people who haven't really moved away from their home town can pitch in with stories of any friends they have who did move away, but I'm really interested in hearing first-hand stories from those who actually HAVE personally experienced it, and especially those who moved from a very young age and grew up in the non-motherland. You can say it's a little personal study I'm doing. Relocation charts fascinate me more and more.

Me. Although I have Moon/Venus in the 10th house, where I've lived since I was 18, and you'd think that would have manifested positively in some way, as a career. I have felt incredibly stuck here over the years - it was supposed to be a stepping stone, and then moving back to California, or moving on to somewhere else. I was born in England, and moved back-and-forth over the years. 

Neptune aspecting my Mars in Pisces, was in my 7th house in the location chart. Square Moon/Venus/SN in the 10th - beginning of my meltdown, and the start of it involved a guy. I wish it hadn't - that's humiliating - but was only part of it. Chiron was also transiting the same area at the time. In my natal chart, Mars is in the 4th house, and my home life was affected, too - that was the bigger part of my meltdown over the last several years. I can see how an argument can be made for either chart. 

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Well, I guess it's about finding an event where the transit interpretation for both charts will be unambiguous. I do agree that there are some instances where certain things that happen to you could be described by both the charts, but I guess the reason why I was dumbstruck is because there were some transits that, given the context at that time, could only be described by my relocated chart. And of course, it might depend on how long you've been away from your birth town. I mean, I don't know how long you've been living where you've been living, but personally I lived in Australia for 28 years (that's almost 100% of my life there), so it's intriguing what I've been discovering.

[pufferfishy]

*Diddly squat*
Could you put up one of your examples for reference (if you don't mind, that is)? Those are pretty spot-on and unambiguous too..

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Well, I can show a comparison of the transits between my natal and relocation during a specific period (one which I showed you before but others haven't seen it so they can comment too  ).

When looking at my relocation chart:
Back in October 2009, T. Saturn basically crossed over my MC and, a few months after that (in Feb 2010), I finally got my first professional job. They say Saturn transits in the 10th house can indicate difficulties in your career etc, and you can find yourself seriously questioning what you're doing in your job. It is interesting to me, because things were smooth sailing until I had a huge confrontation with one of my bosses, and actually that was the first of a couple more that were to come over the next year. During this time I lost any interest I had in my career. I felt that my confidence was shot as I felt intellectually inadequate and stupid. Also, after my second fight over something very personal and private with both my bosses in Jan 2011, it was then that I resolved to find another job elsewhere and maybe even in another industry, but I spent 2 years looking and hadn't found anything until January 2013, and this part is interesting because Saturn officially left my 10th house in November of 2012, only a couple of months earlier. So it's like Saturn was preventing me or severely limiting my career prospects while steaming through my 10th house. Another thing that Saturn in 10th house can cause is illness in a parent, especially the dad. My dad did indeed fall rapidly ill during this time. He started getting worse at around October 2010 and then passed away in May of 2011. All during this time period of 2.5 years. To me these events, as well as the time period that Saturn occupied the 10th house, aligned quite a bit too much for me to ignore. Below is a snapshot of my transit relocation chart in May of 2011



When looking at my natal chart:
In my natal chart, Saturn would have been transiting my 1st house and 2nd house. It would have left the 1st house around September 2011. You might be able to argue that Saturn transiting the 1st house may explain why I had low self-esteem during my time at work, but it doesn't explain my whole career situation, nor does the time period when Saturn was in the 1st quite align because, like I said, it left this house in 2011 while I still had these ongoing self-esteem issues, which extended to all of the following year 2012. My self-esteem was linked very much to my profession. Additionally, in my natal, Pluto was transiting the 4th house, so maybe one can argue that Pluto dealing with the home might indicate something to do with a parent, but I think it explains more the relationship with parents (especially the mother maybe as it's the 4th?), and actually, when my dad passed away, I had four planets in the 8th, but when I consider the planets, two of them were benevolents (Jupiter and Venus), one was Mercury, and the other Mars, and none really deal with death per se, and at the end of the day, none of these transits still captured my work situation. In the relocation chart, these 4 planets get shifted to my 4th house (well, with Mars nearly in the 5th), so it might have indicated a change in the relationship with my mother, seeing as my dad was no longer with us, and actually, having Venus in the 4th house can indicate having being closer to my family, which is what happened of course. We were brought together under the same roof temporarily due to Dad's death. Below is a snapshot of the transit to my natal chart, also in May of 2011.

[sven555]

Great example @chiamaria !

You talk about Saturn transits to the MC, I think that is true about restrictions, it is almost Saturn forcing you to assess your options and in most cases leave. Now yours sounds more influencial because it is in the 10th house (as you mention about your dad). But I have recently been through Saturn trining my MC just before December 2016 and it had it affected my outlook of career and life in general.

The jobs I had always wanted suddenly I didn't want them anymore after getting plenty of them; family becoming tiresome; close friends and colleagues growing apart. It felt like a maturing stage. Now I feel completely different about everything.

[anela]

Saturn would be in my 4th house of my relocation chart, I think, and was just past my mother's sun by a few degrees, when we lost her. It was conjunct her Sun when we lost her sister, the year before (her birthday, 2015). She had a heart condition, and broke her hip, but she also had an aneurysm that was building, that we didn't know about, until it was huge. Saturn was conjunct my Neptune. 

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Jun 11, 2017 21:36:01 GMT sven555 said:

Great example @chiamaria !

You talk about Saturn transits to the MC, I think that is true about restrictions, it is almost Saturn forcing you to assess your options and in most cases leave. Now yours sounds more influencial because it is in the 10th house (as you mention about your dad). But I have recently been through Saturn trining my MC just before December 2016 and it had it affected my outlook of career and life in general.

The jobs I had always wanted suddenly I didn't want them anymore after getting plenty of them; family becoming tiresome; close friends and colleagues growing apart. It felt like a maturing stage. Now I feel completely different about everything.

Thanks sven555! It is quite interesting that Saturn had that effect on you, where it changed your perspective on things, given that you were experiencing a rather harmonious aspect. Maybe the trine was Saturn's way of gently reminding you that there was something much better out there for you, as opposed to a square or a conjunction having the effect of being a rude awakening.

Jun 11, 2017 23:46:11 GMT anela said:

Saturn would be in my 4th house of my relocation chart, I think, and was just past my mother's sun by a few degrees, when we lost her. It was conjunct her Sun when we lost her sister, the year before (her birthday, 2015). She had a heart condition, and broke her hip, but she also had an aneurysm that was building, that we didn't know about, until it was huge. Saturn was conjunct my Neptune. 

Oh dear . Losing two loved ones so close to one another. It reminds me of one of my former friends where he lost his mother to ovarian cancer in 2008 and then his aunty (mother's sister) passed away of breast cancer 4 years later. Two of the closest people in his life. During that period, Pluto was doing the heavy of transiting his 4th house (he's got Uranus, Mercury and Neptune there). But that was in his natal chart because he was born and raised in his hometown.

[pufferfishy]

I think the differences in the transits to natal & relocated are pretty significant there. There doesn't seem to be any overlap of possible descriptions, at least in your case..

[pufferfishy]

Jun 11, 2017 23:46:11 GMT anela said:

Saturn would be in my 4th house of my relocation chart, I think, and was just past my mother's sun by a few degrees, when we lost her. It was conjunct her Sun when we lost her sister, the year before (her birthday, 2015). She had a heart condition, and broke her hip, but she also had an aneurysm that was building, that we didn't know about, until it was huge. Saturn was conjunct my Neptune. 

That's awful.. Sorry about that, losing your aunt too.
And I didn't realize Saturn-Neptune could play out like that.