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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
Theme #1 : Moon-Saturn synastry
Person #1:
Their Saturn conjunct my Moon, trine my Sun
Natal - Natal :
My Moon @ 24° Aqua
Their Saturn @ 19° Aqua
Draco - Draco :
My Moon @ 10°29' Taurus
Their Saturn @ 16° Taurus
**It doesn't always happen, mathematically, btw - IME aspects don't necessarily stay the same between draco-draco and natal-natal.. It's interesting if they do, but the norm is that they are different.
:edit: Post got too big, splitting it up into individual ones.
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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 15:38:43 GMT
Moon-Saturn theme continued...
Person #2:
Their Moon/Saturn conjunct my Moon, trine my Sun
Natal - Natal :
My Moon @ 24° Aqua
Their Moon, Saturn @ ~20° Aqua
Draco - Draco :
My Moon @ 10°29' Taurus
Their Moon, Saturn @ ~15° Taurus
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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 15:40:08 GMT
Person #3:
Natal - Natal : My Saturn opposing their Moon
My Saturn @ 0° Aqua
Their birth time unknown, but the opposition is exact at noon, so it might still be within orb, regardless.
Draco - Draco : Their Moon/Venus/Saturn on my Moon, trine my Sun
My Moon @ 10°29' Taurus
Their Venus, Jupiter, Saturn @ 13°, 14°, 18° Taurus respectively.
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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 15:41:11 GMT
Person #4:
Natal - Natal : My Saturn opposing their Moon
My Saturn @ 0° Aqua
Same story - their birth time is unknown, may or may not be within orb, strictly speaking.
Draco - Draco : Their Saturn on my Sun, trine my Moon
My Moon @ 10°29' Taurus, Sun @ 10°58' Capricorn.
Their Saturn @ 6° Capricorn
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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 15:42:22 GMT
Person #5:
Liz Greene said that even the 10° orbs can be felt when it comes to Saturn on the luminaries. They show up in time.
I did not totally believe her until my interaction with this person. Yeah, in *time*, all Saturn aspects will reveal themselves, no matter the orb.
Or maybe simply because in this case it was reinforced by draconic synastry? I dunno...
Natal - Natal : Their Saturn on my Moon
My Moon @ 24° Aqua
Their Saturn @ 14° Aqua
Draco - Draco : Their Saturn on my Moon, trine my Sun
My Moon @ 10°29' Taurus, Sun @ 10°58' Capricorn.
Their Saturn @ 14° Taurus
...There might be more, but those are the ones I recall off the top of my head. These are people born in different years, btw. Spanning three generations, in fact.
Let me know about your synastry stories! Any recurring themes?
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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 15:42:59 GMT
Okay, now I'm not entirely sure making them 5 different posts was any improvement. :/ Oh well. If you got this far, thanks for reading!
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Post by sven555 on Oct 14, 2017 15:45:46 GMT
hello
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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 15:47:04 GMT
Greetings, Poseidon's Warlord! How may I serve you today? ETA: Gotta get to my homework, be back later.  |
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Post by sven555 on Oct 14, 2017 16:22:29 GMT
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Post by lucina on Oct 14, 2017 17:39:26 GMT
**It doesn't always happen, mathematically, btw - IME aspects don't necessarily stay the same between draco-draco and natal-natal.. It's interesting if they do, but the norm is that they are different.
Yes, because people usually have different North Nodes, at least degreewise, so the DRaco-DRaco can be quite different from the tropical-tropical (it is all natal btw  just different reference points for the natal. in the tropical it is the Aries Point, that is the reference point, in the Draco the North Node).
In all other cases the aspects in the Draco stay the same as in the tropical; in the composite however they can switch (conjunctions can become oppositions, trines can become sextiles and vice versa).
But it really is only the Draco-Draco-synastry which can bring different results than the tropical-tropical comparison, which I find pretty intriguing personally. |
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Post by lucina on Oct 14, 2017 17:45:23 GMT
Person #5:Liz Greene said that even the 10° orbs can be felt when it comes to Saturn on the luminaries. They show up in time.
I did not totally believe her until my interaction with this person. Yeah, in *time*, all Saturn aspects will reveal themselves, no matter the orb.
Or maybe simply because in this case it was reinforced by draconic synastry? I dunno...
Sorry don`t believe her on the orb thing. Most astrologers like tweaking their orbs to make them fit something, but anyway, that is my personal beef. lol
However it is true that all aspects show in time - usually indicated by progressions, solar arcs and transits, WHEN they will show.
Large orbs in synastry sometimes can combine with a tighter orb aspects - a DW- to form an aspectual relations in the composite.
Having said that, I still do believe that the signbackground will make itself felt though, only in terms of the personal planets (and possibly Jupiter and SAturn), but this would be subtle compared to an aspect.
Sometimes wider orbed aspects can give actually a bit of respite, as very tightly connected planets might have no breathing space between each other, as they are reacting so instantly (being hit by the same transits at the same time, while with more orb, first one planet will be hit and then the other, which gives more time to pause and reflect and evaluate and possibly support the other person when it is her turn) |
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Post by pufferfishy on Oct 14, 2017 20:07:35 GMT
Yes yes, I know. I'm not asking you to accept those orbs! I don't either, like I said. I literally said I didn't believe her. It wasn't even felt in the beginning. It was very much felt later, that's just my experience - orb or not, I *felt* that Saturn on my moon. *shrug* But it also depends on how sensitive your moon is, and other things. That's why I included that disclaimer. Should've included another. These are just my personal examples. Feel free to share yours! It's all about comparing how real life experience(s) manifest, with the charts that were laid out.
Part of the reason I wasn't posting is that it gets into a discussion of orbs and stuff, and the theme gets sidelined. Well yeah, those aren't perfect one or two degree orbs, but those are experiences I've lived.. I notice themes about people I attract in my life. I think it matters when something shows up one time too many. But that's just me, doesn't have to be your perspective.. Please continue to share your own examples to add to the study..
Just want to get a discussion going about draco-natal or draco-draco synastry and themes (if any) that echo natal aspects, that's all.
ETA: I'm not advocating against stricter orbs per se.. If we didn't have orbs, it'd all be chaos. What do we use as a guideline then?
Just advocating balance, between the rules and some allowance for life experience....#Libra
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Post by StarVega on Oct 14, 2017 20:14:19 GMT
I love how you laid out all those patterns, pufferfishy . My natal-to-draco comparison chart contains several overlaps, as I've said about a hundred times over the years, sorry for repeating myself, I'm like an astro-forum dinosaur by now. My draco sun in late Taurus doesn't really connect to my natal, except it's widely conjunct my SN. I've met several people whose tropical suns are conjunct my draconic sun, dated one against all odds (he was really good looking.) Sorta fell in love with a guy whose draconic sun was conjunct mine. Some of these people have served a pivotal role in my life. Like my Taurus co-worker who insisted that I email my now-husband and heal a misunderstanding that easily could have caused a permanent rift. Haha, do you remember this story? He stood in the doorway of my office with his arms crossed. "Hit send. DO IT. I'm not leaving until you hit send." I hit send, sank in my chair and tried not to throw up, while he celebrated. LOL |
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Post by lucina on Oct 14, 2017 20:36:19 GMT
pufferfishy , sorry to have upset you. That wasn`t my intention. Oh and on topic, I don`t think I have observed such a pattern (tropical aspects reappearing in Draco) myself. Might still be present, I just haven`t noticed it yet.
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Post by lucina on Oct 14, 2017 20:50:45 GMT
StarVega , this is something I noticed, too, though, if I am affected by Aries people, they usually have their tropical Sun (or Moon) conjunct my Draco Sun. And my Draco Venus seems to be targeted quite a bit by the luminaries in particular, though this is not strictly by conjunction or opposition.
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just different reference points for the natal. in the tropical it is the Aries Point, that is the reference point, in the Draco the North Node). 
