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Post by sven555 on Oct 15, 2017 9:08:29 GMT
pufferfishy, nice thread  I think all of us have our preferences for orb proximity. We try to make things happen which sometimes don't exist; but nevertheless in this instance, you are basing yours on your personal experience which is great StarVega, post them here, I would like to see! Astro-forum dino  That is a strange story that this guy made you hit the send button... and then look what happened, you pressed the button to change your life forever ! lucina, That's interesting, also Aries Sun people have their sun in your 4th house (tropical) too? Double bonus.
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Post by sven555 on Oct 15, 2017 9:09:09 GMT
I will look at my Natal/Draco & Draco/Draco synastry with my SO.
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Post by lucina on Oct 15, 2017 11:10:11 GMT
lucina , That's interesting, also Aries Sun people have their sun in your 4th house (tropical) too? Double bonus. Yes, they do. Also my Draco Venus is on 25°58 Aries. I have tropical Sun on 25°56 Sagittarius, tropical Mercury (DESC-ruler) on 25°03 Sagittarius. (Draco Mars on 25°01 Pisces and Draco ASC on 26°51 Pisces). Well basically that means that a planet aspecting my Draco Venus, will usually also aspect my tropical Sun. If we limit ourselves to conjunction and opposition to the DRaco placements, then this would mean these planets make a trine or sextile to my Sun in the tropical synastry, which seems to be fairly positive. Tight squares to Draco placements seem to be very "colourful", too. (maybe because we are really dealing with an axis and a square would always fall onto the focal point of that axis) , though in this instance that means the aspects to my tropical would be more "awkward" (semisextile/ quinkunx). The aspect to my Draco Sun on 15°46 Aries would be potentially a bit more challenging, as I have tropical Saturn on 16°57 Cancer. So any tropical planet conjunct or opposite my Draco Sun would be squaring my tropical Saturn, too. But I certainly have a Saturn-pattern to the luminaries anyway, usually it is a square of either their Saturn to my Sun or my Saturn to their Sun. Not sure why it seems to be a square most of the times, but that is what I noticed. At least with guys. With women it could be different aspect. Like my best friend`s Saturn opposes my Moon and my Saturn squares her Moon exact and sextiles her Sun. Another friend has her Sun-Saturn-conjunction falling onto my Moon. (all in tropical). My Saturn quinkunx her Sun. Another friend from long ago (we are not in contact anymore) has her Saturn trine my Sun and my Saturn quinkunx her Sun-Moon-conjunction which is conjunct my Moon. It seems that the Moon-Saturn-quinkunx in my chart gets triggered quite a bit, especially in female friends. Hmm StarVega, isn`t your Moon trine my Saturn? and of course your Sun opposes my Saturn, so I suppose that is another luminary-Saturn-case from my life. lol Well in my tropical I have a very exact closed circuit between Moon, Saturn, Juno, Karma. Moon 17°06 Aqua Karma 16°01 Gemini Saturn 16°57 Cancer Juno 16°58 Pisces so a Moon-Karma-trine interacting with a Saturn-Juno-trine (most exact aspect in my chart), being connected through semisextiles/quinkunxes (I think this pattern is called "invincible fortress" in Magi astrology). Since the orbs are almost ridiculously close whenever one planet is triggered by anything so will the others, though of course in a different way, as the aspects are not of the same harmonic (If natal Moon gets a square by a transiting planet, Saturn will get a trine or sextile for example) Anyway since my Draco Sun is on 15-16 Aries, whatever aspects it, will aspect some of these planets, too and the whole configuration lits up (as it is a closed circuit the energy enters at one point and then will flow through the others). I wonder if that is the reason for the pattern of apparently liking Saturn-aspects to the luminaries in synastry, and as you maybe noticed I seem to have a preference for the so called hard aspects to or from Saturn. |
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Post by lucina on Oct 15, 2017 12:52:32 GMT
Person 1 (PK - male)
his Sun 16°52 Aries
my Saturn 16°57 Cancer
(his Moon 19°31 Taurus)
(his Saturn is also in the same sign as my Moon, but I do not feel comfortable with the orb of 7°18 for a synastric conjunction)
my Draco Sun 15°46 Aries (conjunct his tropical Sun).
his Draco Saturn 23°47 Virgo, might be considered square my tropical Sun and conjunct my Draco DESC
Person B (male - AB)
my Sun 25°56 Sag
his Saturn 23°30 Pisces
my Draco Mars-ASC on 25-26 Pisces
also as for signbackgrounds
his Draco Saturn 8 Aquarius
my tropical Moon 17 Aquarius
my Draco Saturn 6 Scorpio
his Draco Sun 14 Scorpio
his Draco Sun 14 Scorpio
his Draco Moon 13 Pisces
could be said to make a wide Grand trine to my tropical Saturn on 16-17 Cancer
Person 3 (male: JL)
my Moon 17 Aquarius
his Saturn 15 Gemini
as for signbackgrounds
his Dr Moon 11 Cap
my tropical Saturn 16 Cancer
his Dr Saturn 28 Leo
my tropical Sun 26 Sag
my Dr Saturn 6 Scorpio
his tropical Sun 7 Capricorn
my Dr Sun 15 Aries
his tropical SAturn 15 Gemini
his Dr Sun 20 Pisces
my tropical Saturn 17 Cancer
Not sure these are even valid aspects though.
Person 4 (male: CR - school-crush, long long ago)
Person 5 (Male: MS )
his Sun: 19 Aries
my Saturn: 17 Cancer
my Chiron: 20 Aries
my Dr Sun 16 Aries
(his Moon 17 Virgo)
my Dr Moon 7 Gemini
his tropical Saturn 7 Virgo
his Dr Sun 2 Scorpio
my Dr Saturn 6 Scorpio
(well slowly it is getting creepy. LOL)
Person 6: male: MB birtthime unknown, but with noon time
his Moon 15 Virgo (sextile my Saturn 16-17 Cancer)
his Draco Sun 18 Scorpio
my Draco Saturn 6 Scorpio: same signbackground again, though not in aspect
his Draco Moon 6 Taurus
my Draco Saturn 6 Scorpio
person 7 female: SK
my Moon 17 Aqua
my Saturn 17 Cancer
her Sun 18 Aqua
her Moon 18 Aqua
her Saturn 27 Leo
my Sun 26 Sag
her Dr Saturn 20 Aqua
my tropical MOon 17 Aqua
(also interestingly her Dr Sun-Moon on 11 Leo)
person 8: female: FD
my Moon 17 Aqua
my Saturn 17 Cancer
her Sun 18 Virgo
her Moon 15 Aries
her Saturn 12 Leo
my Draco Sun 15 Aries
her Draco Sun 14 Aqua
my tropical Moon 17 Aqua
Well I guess in this case it is more a split, resulting into a Moon-Saturn-DW in tropical and a Sun-Moon-DW in Draco
person 9: female AV
my Moon 17 Aqua
her Sun 16 Aqua
her Saturn 14 Aqua
(my Saturn 16 Cancer)
her Draco Saturn 14 Libra
my Draco Sun 15 Aries
her Draco Moon 8 Pisces
my Draco Saturn 6 Scorpio
and I guess it is going on like that. lol
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Post by sven555 on Oct 15, 2017 14:31:12 GMT
My natal vs SO draco
-------- My Mars in Leo, conjunct SO Moon in Leo (orb 0'16) My Venus in Aries, trine SO Moon in Leo (orb 1'31) My Sun in Taurus, conjunct SO Pluto in Taurus (orb 3'25) My Saturn in Pisces, conjunct SO Chiron in Pisces (orb 0'37) My Moon in Virgo, opposite SO Chiron in Pisces (orb 1'17) My Moon in Virgo, conjunct SO Saturn in Virgo (orb 3'12) My ASC in Scorpio, conjunct both SO Mercury and Mars in Scorpio (orbs 2'06 & 4'33) My North Node in Scorpio, conjunct both SO Mercury and Mars in Scorpio (orbs 3'28 & 5'56)My Mercury in Gemini, conjunct SO ASC in Gemini (orb 0'12)
My draco vs SO draco
--------- My Mercury in Scorpio, conjunct SO Mercury in Scorpio (orb 3'25) My Sun in Libra, conjunct SO Immum Coeli in Libra (orb 2'40) My Mars in Capricorn, trine SO Saturn in Virgo (orb 2'46) My Moon in Aquarius, opposite SO Moon in Leo (orb 5'24) My Venus in Virgo, conjunct SO Saturn in Virgo (orb 4'01) My Pluto in Aries, trine SO Moon in Leo (orb 0'02)
My draco vs SO natal
-------- My Moon in Aquarius, trine SO Sun in Gemini (orb 1'16) My Moon in Aquarius, trine SO Venus in Gemini (orb 3'14) My Sun in Libra, trine SO Sun in Gemini (orb 3'16) My Venus in Virgo, trine SO Jupiter in Capricorn (orb 1'01) My Mars in Virgo, conjunct SO Jupiter in Capricorn (orb 2'16) My Mercury in Scorpio, trine SO Moon in Pisces (orb 3'28) My Sun in Libra, conjunct SO North Node in Libra (orb 1'01)My Neptune in Gemini, conjunct SO Sun in Gemini (orb 2'38) My Neptune in Gemini, conjunct SO Venus in Gemini (orb 1'52)
I handpicked the best/most influential aspects
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Post by StarVega on Oct 15, 2017 14:53:42 GMT
StarVega , this is something I noticed, too, though, if I am affected by Aries people, they usually have their tropical Sun (or Moon) conjunct my Draco Sun. And my Draco Venus seems to be targeted quite a bit by the luminaries in particular, though this is not strictly by conjunction or opposition. Yes, same here! Well their suns are usually either on my SN, like sven555's, or my draco sun. I've known a few early Taurus people but saw them rarely. I've never really known anyone born from April 27-May 7th, not that I recall. It's all May 8th to May 17th. |
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Post by lucina on Oct 15, 2017 15:10:53 GMT
StarVega yes that is interesting. Well there are some other ways the aspect can form, but there seems to be a conspicuous gathering of birthdates around 7th-9th april, as well as 11th-29th december, gathering around the ARiespoint in Capricorn really
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Post by StarVega on Oct 15, 2017 15:22:18 GMT
Thanks for the data, people. I ❤️ draco data. 🤓 One thing that's interesting for me....well, a few random bits and pieces: 1) My daughter's draconic sun @ 19.40° Virgo is tightly (exactly?) conjunct my ex's natal sun. Her name is related to his middle name, and yes I did that on purpose. And yes he must know. And no I don't care. But I only saw this draconic link many years after naming her that. Pretty shocking. As the story goes, we were all at a funeral together when she was very young. She didn't want me holding her so I put her down and was attending to my son, when she crawled away very fast and sat right by my ex's feet. I had to go get her. Later I had to put her down again, and it didn't occur to me this could be a problem, but she immediately went over to my ex again. People who know us and our history, all these mutual friends, looked on with disbelief and shock. Could that magnetism be draconic sun conjunct tropical sun? Well I just checked this for the first time, and they have composite sun conjunct Venus and Mars in Libra. Good energy 2) I seem to know a lot of people with: - Draconic sun in Aries, conjunct my Jupiter and draconic Venus (like lucina ) - Draconic luminaries in Pisces, conjunct my tropical moon - Draconic conjunctions to my natal, in general One could say, that's just a matter of chance, of COURSE I'll know people who put conjunctions somewhere. But it's odd how unlikely some of these friendships are. How totally different we are in location, background, age, temperament, etc. One person actually told me off in a bad way, and yes I'm a stupid Pisces moon, but I have my limits. Yet we still seem to have a viable connection. Their draco sun opposes my draco moon; my draco sun opposes their draco moon. Full moon both ways, echoed by a full moon in tropical composite. My draco sun-Jupiter square overlaps and is the inverse of their tropical sun-Jupiter square. Maybe we'll never talk again, and that's fine by me.....why did we ever talk to begin with, though? Draconics? 🤔 |
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Post by lucina on Oct 15, 2017 15:32:18 GMT
Well my Draco birthday would have been on 5th april. Actually I just cast my Draco-birthday chart. lol using Draco Sun`s exact degree, minute, seconds and chose the year before my birth (as we always substract the North Node from our birthplanets, and I thought it was somehow fitting that it leads us back into the pregnancy-phase, well in my case about a month after conception. )  How funny that even in that chart a Sag ASC comes up (and partile conjunct my birth ASC). Also my Draconic Moon is at 6 Gemini. Anyway I was pretty baffled seeing that chart, as it seems so intense, have not yet delved into it deeply though. Funny however how my Solar Return this year has Mars-ASC on 28-29 Aquarius and my pr Venus is also at 28 Aquarius, replicating this chart`s Venus. Wondrous thing these astro.charts. lol and this is P`s draco birthday chart (with a Draco Sun on 25 Cancer, it leads us back to july before his birth).  edit: this was just for fun btw. |
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Post by lucina on Oct 15, 2017 15:38:42 GMT
StarVegathis story about your ex and your daughter never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by lucina on Oct 15, 2017 16:13:03 GMT
But fun or not.... P`s Draco birth-chart (or prebirthchart lol), has
his Venus conjunct his eldest Son Venuso n 15 Cancer exact
- in fact his first born was born with Venus on 15 Cancer opposite Pluto on 11 Cap square Uranus on 16 Aries, while Venus also in his chart is trine SAturn on 16 Scorpio, so there are some more interchart aspects
his Venus trines his son`s Saturn exact and squares his Uranus exact, and being widely opposite PLuto
(seems his son inherited the Venus-Pluto-issue from his Dad)
his Pluto opposes his son`s Uranus exact and squares his Venus exact
his Uranus conjuncts his son`s Saturn exact and trines his Venus exact
his Mars conjuncts his son`s DESC by 3 degrees and his Neptune conjuncts his ASC exact
his DESC conjuncts his son`s Mercury exact (and his Sun is conjunct it widely, too)
and I also noticed some interchart aspects with his youngest son´s birth chart
his Venus on 15 Cancer opposing the youngest Pluto on 17 Cancer,
also:
squares his Mercury-Uranus on 14-17 Aries
his Pluto opposes that MErcury-Uranus, pretty closely
his Mars opposes the little one`s Moon-Saturn in SAg
his Neptune conjuncts in particular the Saturn
(well this son of his has inherited the Moon-Saturn-issue of his Dad).
his Neptune also squares the son`s Jupiter-NN in Virgo (15-21 Virgo, Neptune is on 18 Sag)
his SAturn-NN is exactly opposes his Son`s Neptune on 10 Pisces (and widely conjunct Jupiter)
his Mercury-Jupiter on 14 Leo makes a grand trine with his son`s Mercury-Uranus on 14-19 Aries and his Moon-Saturn on 13-16 Sag
I was pretty surprised to see how strongly the charts interrelate, especially since I was just checking that Draco-birth chart as some kind of a joke!
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Post by StarVega on Oct 15, 2017 16:53:51 GMT
lucina"I was pretty surprised to see how strongly the charts interrelate, especially since I was just checking that Draco-birth chart as some kind of a joke!" Things like that are always a bit unsettling to me. As if everything is random after all, with a mere semblance of order that tricks us. Then it all comes back into focus and I see the strength of certain clusters of facts that cannot be denied, and are not random.
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Post by sven555 on Oct 15, 2017 17:01:27 GMT
Can any of you lucina , pufferfishy or StarVega , educate me about Draco/Draco or Draco/Natal aspects? I don't really understand the significance of them. |
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Post by StarVega on Oct 15, 2017 17:01:58 GMT
My natal vs SO draco
-------- My Mars in Leo, conjunct SO Moon in Leo (orb 0'16) - Nice for intense physical attractionMy Mercury in Gemini, conjunct SO ASC in Gemini (orb 0'12) - I love exact conjunctions like that, especially on the angles, and with domicile planets.
My draco vs SO draco
--------- My Mercury in Scorpio, conjunct SO Mercury in Scorpio (orb 3'25) - This is fantastic. I've enjoyed draco Mercury conjunct draco Mercury before...in Gemini, in my case.
Me: "Why do we think so much alike??"
Him: "I was just wondering that, myself."
My draco vs SO natal
-------- My Moon in Aquarius, trine SO Sun in Gemini (orb 1'16) My Sun in Libra, trine SO Sun in Gemini (orb 3'16) Grand trine!! My Sun in Libra, conjunct SO North Node in Libra (orb 1'01) Best of the bunch, in my opinion. ^
My Neptune in Gemini, conjunct SO Venus in Gemini (orb 1'52) Sweet 😇
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Post by StarVega on Oct 15, 2017 17:43:07 GMT
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I think all of us have our preferences for orb proximity. We try to make things happen which sometimes don't exist; but nevertheless in this instance, you are basing yours on your personal experience which is great 
That is a strange story that this guy made you hit the send button... and then look what happened, you pressed the button to change your life forever !
