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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 27, 2017 3:26:26 GMT
Btw, Re: Vedic astrologers considering the nodes as malefic - I think I read somewhere that the north node is considered benefic, in the sense that it "expands" whatever it comes into contact with, in synastry - and the south node "suppresses".
So, they could be malefic or benefic depending on the context. They considered a mars conjunct north node aspect malefic, because (according to them), it exacerbates the issues of Mars - fighting, anger, aggression etc. On the other hand, Mars on the South node was supposed to mitigate it's effects and create a more peaceable atmosphere between the two. Dunno how that holds up IRL, but that's what their approach was.
I'll post the link here if I find it.
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Post by StarVega on Nov 27, 2017 4:44:21 GMT
"Who dis?"  Aw, tanks. You may have heard me referring to someone who very suddenly and coldly cut me off? That's him, and maybe it's his draco Pluto on my DSC-Mercury to blame. I know I've looked at his draconic chart before, but I must've been in this mindset where I was determined to not really SEE anything there. Willfully blind....because I wanted him to just mean nothing. His Pisces draco ASC conjunct my draco IC, conjunct our draco composite sun. --- Ah nice, I just became Aphrodite's Water Bearer with transiting moon conjunct Neptune in Pisces. |
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Post by StarVega on Nov 27, 2017 5:03:05 GMT
On the other hand, Mars on the South node was supposed to mitigate it's effects and create a more peaceable atmosphere between the two. Hmm! 20 Taurus, my SN 22 Taurus, his Mars 24 Scorpio, composite NN 25 Taurus, my draconic sun 26 Scorpio, his draconic Saturn Yeah he definitely went a little overboard with the Saturn. I know I've seen enough malefic/greedy Rahu to see the value in their perspective but I can't think of examples at the moment, aside from the Vegas massacre happening with tr draco Pluto conjunct tr NN, to the minute, I believe. Thanks for sharing this tradition of analysis, and yes please, if it's convenient to post a link, that would be great.  I'm tempted to try and dig deeper into the complexity of this....I wonder if strong nodal synastry usually translates into strong draconic synastry, like it's just foreordained to be that way. |
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Post by lucina on Nov 27, 2017 11:37:08 GMT
On the other hand, Mars on the South node was supposed to mitigate it's effects and create a more peaceable atmosphere between the two. I'm tempted to try and dig deeper into the complexity of this....I wonder if strong nodal synastry usually translates into strong draconic synastry, like it's just foreordained to be that way. It usually does. and in particular if there are synastric aspects that replicate your nodal degrees, they are becoming conjunctions from Draco to tropical. For example P`s Nn is on 01 Virgo, that is 151° - so everytime there is a quinkunx (but a waxing one, before the opposition) in synastry or even natal it will come up as conjunction in the Draco-natal comparision. For example my Pluto on 9 Libra is quinkunx his Eros on 8 Pisces, 149 degrees from my Pluto to his Eros, and his Draco Eros is then falling onto my tropical Pluto (because to arrive at his Draconic Eros you have to substract those 151°, which are his nodal degree, and then you end up approximately at my Pluto). But also it seems if people have strong nodal synastry it somehow translates to the Draconic level, I think Dawn bodrogi only analyses Dracos IF there are nodal aspects to begin with. |
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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 27, 2017 15:20:12 GMT
Found the link. The language is a bit funny, and their thoughts a wee bit outdated and overblown, so I admit I did not take this seriously at first. But - they seem to be right sometimes.. To some extent. www.astrogle.com/astrology/how-to-know-you-are-in-karmic-relationship.htmlAnyway, here's an excerpt:
"Mars is Individualism, Action and Fighting Ability
Man Rahu (North Node) falls on Women Mars or Women Rahu (North Node) falls on Man Mars:This is not good synastry match. Whenever woman Mars or man Mars falls on each other Rahu/North Node it amplify the argument and fighting with each other. Initially these people attract with each other and enjoy fighting but with time it increases may lead to many conflicts and problems, which is not good for long term relationship.
Women Ketu (South Node) falls on Man Mars or Man Ketu (South Node) falls on
Women Mars: This is good synastry match because this combination resolves past life issues with each other. This combination diminishes argumentative and fight habits of each other. This combination is good for long term relationship. "You have to scroll down the page a little, before you get to the combinations. |
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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 27, 2017 15:37:41 GMT
Hmm! 20 Taurus, my SN 22 Taurus, his Mars 24 Scorpio, composite NN 25 Taurus, my draconic sun 26 Scorpio, his draconic Saturn Yeah he definitely went a little overboard with the Saturn. I know I've seen enough malefic/greedy Rahu to see the value in their perspective but I can't think of examples at the moment, aside from the Vegas massacre happening with tr draco Pluto conjunct tr NN, to the minute, I believe. Thanks for sharing this tradition of analysis, and yes please, if it's convenient to post a link, that would be great. I'm tempted to try and dig deeper into the complexity of this....I wonder if strong nodal synastry usually translates into strong draconic synastry, like it's just foreordained to be that way. Yikes! Draco Saturn opposite draco Sun. Well, the oppositions & squares are hard, even the conjunction for that matter - a *lot* depends on the Saturn native. With the opposition & square, the chances for such a sudden cutting off are higher.. |
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Post by StarVega on Nov 27, 2017 16:22:43 GMT
Thank you! His Mars on my SN....we resolved past life issues? I have no idea how that could be the case. How could a train wreck (our parting) be a resolution? That's an honest question -- does anyone know? I don't know much about what's said on topics like this by the people who take it seriously, like the Buddhists. Our composite has an exact sun-moon opposition, exactly t-squaring Cancer Saturn. Sun conjunct Venus, moon conjunct Chiron. I tried to break it off when the transiting sun in Capricorn was grand crossing all of that. Transiting sun conjunct my draconic Juno. This was cute (?) he said that I would have to do that in person, and he left work early, drove pretty far to confront me. Why didn't he just let it go then? Why did everything have to wait until it was even more effed up? Why pufferfishy why? hehehe I love talking to you because something about it feels expansive, helps me think better. |
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Post by StarVega on Nov 27, 2017 16:30:53 GMT
On a totally different note... Today, Prince Harry's engagement to Meghan Markle was announced... A curious thing about them is, they both have natal-to-draco full moons: 22 Virgo, his sun 21 Pisces, his draconic moon (And by the way: 22 Pisces, her draconic ASC, conjunct his draco IC at 17 Pisces) 4 Libra, her moon 10 Aries, her draconic sun Anyway it's cute that the announcement came with the moon in Pisces. Fairytale wedding William and Catherine both have lunations in their natal chart, and eclipses I think? So this is pretty interesting to me, pattern-wise: the draconic full moons of Harry and Meghan. |
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Post by lucina on Nov 27, 2017 16:40:24 GMT
LUnations/ eclipses seem to be a common factor in the royal family, I guess.
Anyway, I don`t really buy the vedic perspective on NN and SN and Mars. It`s too simplistic for my taste.
Mars on NN just means that Mars is something the native has to work on, if it is belligerent, depends a) on the natal make up of Mars and b) the natives behaviour.
Also personally I think if something has been really resolved, then it would not show up in the chart anymore. The very fact something like Mars shows up on the SN is a sign that there is something that needs to paid attention to. It maybe was attempted to resolve but obviously it did not quite succeed.
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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 27, 2017 16:59:53 GMT
Thank you! His Mars on my SN....we resolved past life issues? I have no idea how that could be the case. How could a train wreck (our parting) be a resolution? That's an honest question -- does anyone know? I don't know much about what's said on topics like this by the people who take it seriously, like the Buddhists. Our composite has an exact sun-moon opposition, exactly t-squaring Cancer Saturn. Sun conjunct Venus, moon conjunct Chiron. I tried to break it off when the transiting sun in Capricorn was grand crossing all of that. Transiting sun conjunct my draconic Juno. This was cute (?) he said that I would have to do that in person, and he left work early, drove pretty far to confront me. Why didn't he just let it go then? Why did everything have to wait until it was even more effed up? Why pufferfishy why? hehehe I love talking to you because something about it feels expansive, helps me think better. Me loves talking to you too. The fact that he did that, shows that he cared way more than he let on. Re: the Mars-SN connction - I know right, seems counterintuitive. How the hell could that be a resolution? Might not be a full resolution, though - might simply be setting the stage for future meetings. *Or* it could be that the story has yet to play out. Slim chance, but I like seeing the possibilities. P.S. I was thinking of the wrong person then! These details point to somebody else. |
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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 27, 2017 17:02:20 GMT
LUnations/ eclipses seem to be a common factor in the royal family, I guess. Anyway, I don`t really buy the vedic perspective on NN and SN and Mars. It`s too simplistic for my taste. Mars on NN just means that Mars is something the native has to work on, if it is belligerent, depends a) on the natal make up of Mars and b) the natives behaviour. Also personally I think if something has been really resolved, then it would not show up in the chart anymore. The very fact something like Mars shows up on the SN is a sign that there is something that needs to paid attention to. It maybe was attempted to resolve but obviously it did not quite succeed. Yeah, that makes more sense - attempted to resolve, but did not quite get there. Thus creating fresh karma. I agree, it sounds too simplistic to be any real use. I use it as a background note - if you take away the fatalistic edge to it and include the central idea of what they're saying as one of the possible themes, that gives another perspective. |
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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 27, 2017 17:18:07 GMT
--- Ah nice, I just became Aphrodite's Water Bearer with transiting moon conjunct Neptune in Pisces. Congrats! Speaking of, that conjunction seems to be carrying waves of thoughts all the way across the world. I was just thinking, yesterday - more like wishing, I could talk to Steve about something. A certain something that happened back in college. No reason, just random. But a solid conversation piece. I have imaginary conversations with him all the time, so no biggie. I was missing him a lot & wanted to talk. Guess what, my junior from college, posted on my fb account, alluding to this incident - that very same day! Out of the blue. People don't usually post on my wall. Especially coz I'm dormant on fb. He saw that, and emailed me asking about it. Ha! I got my opening into the conversation I'd already had in my head but was now getting the chance to have for real. #Nuts. Thanks Moon/Neptoon in Pisces. Wish fulfillment. P.S. Coincidentally, he had a post about the same topic on his wall, a couple days ago. ^ Just being vague coz it's a public forum. Might catch you on chat someday and fill in details. But they're not that important anyway, just wanted to let you know something like this happened. |
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Post by StarVega on Nov 27, 2017 18:07:56 GMT
WOW!!! 😱 That is crazy!
Oh what a great story! 🤗
Thanks for your replies, m'ladies, I'll be back soon!
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Post by lucina on Nov 27, 2017 18:44:17 GMT
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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 28, 2017 2:58:34 GMT
Thanks, you guys. I thought it was cute too.
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