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Post by lucina on Oct 15, 2017 18:00:53 GMT
Well there are some different approaches as to what Draco charts mean. I think it really boils to your perception of what the nodal axis means. Since they are nodal charts, they carry the meaning of the nodes and elaborate on them.
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Post by StarVega on Oct 16, 2017 0:48:09 GMT
Tropical zodiac is geared around 0° Aries, the Northern Hemisphere's Vernal Equinox - "the point on the sun's apparent orbit at which it passes through the celestial equator from south to north."
Draconic zodiac is geared around the lunar nodes, "the points where the orbit of the Moon crosses the ecliptic."
(I cut and pasted for quality control, but this wording is common, so I'm not citing links.)
So our tropical placements reflect the number of degrees between a planet and 0° Aries, while draconic placements reflect the number of degrees between the lunar nodes and our planets, treating the NN as 0° Aries. Both simply measure the distance between planets and key crossover points.
Guessing now....
Tropical placements, linked to the path of the sun, may relate to our physical lives, conscious reasoning, shared reality. Things that happen in daylight.
Draconic placements, linked to the path of moon, may relate more to emotional undercurrents, the subconscious, psychic and personal truths. After all we usually spend night/sleep alone, or with one other person, or two if we have a baby around. Draconic may be linked to family that way, as conception was traditionally more of a lunar event (before artificial lighting), babies are formed in dark wombs, etc.
Vedic astrologers consider the nodes malefic, but I don't know the reason. Perhaps we see how the moon gets swallowed up every month, and the nodes play into that disappearing act. Therefore whatever rests on the nodes is associated with that tendency towards darkness and the abyss. As I write this I'm thinking of how, when the transiting NN was conjunct my moon last time, within 1°, it was a rare moment where I was some kind of luminary in the darkness: I was on the receiving line at my father's funeral. But granted, I have a spooky moon anyway. And when my mother died, transiting NN @ 28° Cap; my draconic moon @ 28° Cancer.
Sorry to be morbid - as usual, 'just trying to learn what's going on.
I'm more intently interested in this kind of thing lately.
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Post by StarVega on Oct 16, 2017 2:29:00 GMT
Musing aloud.....
So, tropical and sidereal systems differ in their assumptions about where the zodiac begins.
Draconic is another zodiac, another beginning. My NN is conjunct my husband's, my own lunar Aries Point (if you will) is right near his, this means we essentially share a zodiac, we're working off the same reference points.
In sketchy terms, maybe we could use the NN for the ASC (yet another beginning, another type of Aries Point) and build an equal house system around that? For two people whose NNs are conjunct, everything would fall in the same houses. I'll just call that the nodal house system, and I'm just playing around.
It seems two types of transits may be especially dramatic:
1) Tropical transits that would fall into nodal first house. 2) Draconic transits falling into nodal first house.
My NN 20° Scorpio is 230° from the AP, moving in zodiac order. So any time a planet is in that range of 230°-260° from the NN (or 100-130°), it becomes significant to me, because in the draconic chart of that moment, the planet will fall in my nodal first house (equal house system). This mostly overlaps with my husband's nodal first house.
It's the same number of degrees between node and planet, same yardstick, we're just moving the leading edge from the tropical NN to the AP, to see where the planet falls in our own personal zodiacs.
When my husband and I got formally engaged, we had the transiting sun, Mercury, Pluto, and Chiron all packed into our shared nodal first house. Draconic Saturn exactly conjunct tropical Mercury: a serious contract.
Meanwhile, transiting draconic sun @ 20 Cancer was on our composite ASC-Mars-Juno, transiting draconic moon @ 18 Pisces on my moon, forming water grand trines with our NNs. No wonder it all fit together in a mathematical (and subconscious?) sense as, "This is the right time."
Ok, I'm done playing around for now, I just wanted to record this in case it occurs to me as a valid concept later...I don't want to forget what I was thinking.
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Post by sven555 on Oct 16, 2017 3:25:18 GMT
Thanks a lot for posting such in depth information, StarVega
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Post by sven555 on Oct 16, 2017 8:16:24 GMT
lucina , So Draconic charts are our Soul charts? In my opinion it seems that way. Your natal chart is the physical/mental. Perhaps they show the relation between how someone affects you on a spiritual level. To be honest I have never really noticed the affects of Draconic charts yet. StarVega , You are always welcome to use here as a memory notepad or just to air your thoughts. Same for you lucina & pufferfishy . Composite Draconic chart sounds interesting! I wonder how that plays out. My Draconic Chart ASC is 1 degree Aries haha, I get set right back to the beginning Perhaps Draconic transits will give a deeper understanding as to why things happen.
Me and my SO, we have been going through that crazy period where it seems everything we do is full of coincidences. We walked in sync with each other; have a habit of wearing the same colour shirts without seeing each other; thinking of the same things are the same time and then speaking about it together; it's like our minds dovetail subconsciously. We both say that there is something magical going on and that neither of us have control over the effects. In astrological terms, - We have double Mercury-Moon and Moon-ASC in Synastry.
- Our Sun and Mercury signs are each others signs, natally. (Taurus 19' Sun/Gemini 10' Mercury, Gemini 17' Sun/Taurus 24' Mercury)
- The Composite Chart gives us a Sun/Mercury conjunction in Gemini, slap bang on the DSC.
The Draconic charts, with Natal? My Natal Mercury in Gemini nearly exact conjunct SO ASC in Gemini. SO Draconic Mercury in Scorpio conjunct My Natal ASC in Scorpio. SO Draconic Mercury/Mars in Scorpio conjunct My Draconic Mercury in Scorpio. SO Draconic Mercury/Mars in Scorpio conjunct My Natal NN in Scorpio. (I forgot this aspect yesterday, Mercury is 3 degrees away, Mars 5 degrees) SO Natal Sun in Gemini forms a grand trine with my Draconic Sun/Moon. SO Natal NN conjunct My Draconic Sun.
There a is massive focus between Gemini and Scorpio. The proverbial inspector. Keen for knowledge and wants to dig deep.
This is absolute madness. I must take back my comment about not experiencing Draconic chart affects, because this must be it!
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Post by lucina on Oct 16, 2017 8:27:18 GMT
lucina , So Draconic charts are our Soul charts? In my opinion it seems that way. Your natal chart is the physical/mental. Perhaps they show the relation between how someone affects you on a spiritual level. To be honest I have never really noticed the affects of Draconic charts yet. StarVega , You are always welcome to use here as a memory notepad or just to air your thoughts. Same for you lucina & pufferfishy . Composite Draconic chart sounds interesting! I wonder how that plays out. My Draconic Chart ASC is 1 degree Aries haha, I get set right back to the beginning Perhaps Draconic transits will give a deeper understanding as to why things happen.
Me and my SO, we have been going through that crazy period where it seems everything we do is full of coincidences. We walked in sync with each other; have a habit of wearing the same colour shirts without seeing each other; thinking of the same things are the same time and then speaking about it together; it's like our minds dovetail subconsciously. We both say that there is something magical going on and that neither of us have control over the effects. In astrological terms, - We have double Mercury-Moon and Moon-ASC in Synastry.
- Our Sun and Mercury signs are each others signs, natally. (Taurus 19' Sun/Gemini 10' Mercury, Gemini 17' Sun/Taurus 24' Mercury)
- The Composite Chart gives us a Sun/Mercury conjunction in Gemini, slap bang on the DSC.
The Draconic charts, with Natal? My Natal Mercury in Gemini nearly exact conjunct SO ASC in Gemini. SO Draconic Mercury in Scorpio conjunct My Natal ASC in Scorpio. SO Draconic Mercury/Mars in Scorpio conjunct My Draconic Mercury in Scorpio. SO Draconic Mercury/Mars in Scorpio conjunct My Natal NN in Scorpio. (I forgot this aspect yesterday, Mercury is 3 degrees away, Mars 5 degrees) SO Natal Sun in Gemini forms a grand trine with my Draconic Sun/Moon. SO Natal NN conjunct My Draconic Sun.
There a is massive focus between Gemini and Scorpio. The proverbial inspector. Keen for knowledge and wants to dig deep.
This is absolute madness. I must take back my comment about not experiencing Draconic chart affects, because this must be it! Yes. I See them that way. Soul Chart and also how one Perso pushes the other into development. Personally the Draco Charts we're one of the Most eyeopener to me. But i have an emphazized nodal axix maybe that ist why.
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Post by sven555 on Oct 17, 2017 8:12:27 GMT
lucina, Alright that sounds likely, i'll keep that in mind. Influence on another person
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Post by StarVega on Oct 17, 2017 14:44:38 GMT
StarVega , You are always welcome to use here as a memory notepad or just to air your thoughts. LOL, thank you, that's what I was doing. Yes I do think draconic charts give a view into why things happen. "Composite Draconic chart sounds interesting! I wonder how that plays out." I made a thread on it....any discoveries with your draco-comp with your SO? I'm warming to those charts, I didn't put much stock in them at first, but little by little they stoke my curiosity.
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Post by sven555 on Oct 17, 2017 15:35:39 GMT
StarVega, Super Perhaps that is the secret. You need Tropical and Draconic. I haven't looked at the composite Draconic yet, is there a way to do this? I will found your thread and post there, so your curiousity will be well stoked and burning
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Post by sven555 on Oct 18, 2017 18:16:12 GMT
StarVega, lucina, pufferfishy, Is this the best way to calculate your composite draco chart? 1. Get both charts. 2. Make a composite chart. 3. Convert from tropical to draco. OR 1. Get both charts. 2. Convert each chart to draco 3. make a composite
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Post by lucina on Oct 18, 2017 19:12:27 GMT
Well, it probably is a philosophical question, but since I am using astro.com currently, there is only the option of making a composite and convert it to Draco for me.
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Post by lucina on Oct 18, 2017 19:18:49 GMT
Also the result should be the same. The only exception might be that the opposite sign-background comes up.
for example in my Draconic composite the ASC switches from Cancer to Capricorn, depending what I do (I Noticed I can try out both options you mentioned with Planetdance).
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Post by sven555 on Oct 18, 2017 19:27:26 GMT
Thanks lucina, got the method done.
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Post by StarVega on Nov 27, 2017 2:29:08 GMT
This one.... Anyone who knows my natal chart would see many conjunctions popping out immediately.... His draco sun-Mercury conjunct my Neptune His moon on my Pluto His Venus on my sun His Pluto on my DSC His IC on my Mars Assuming accurate birth times. Super karmic.
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Post by pufferfishy on Nov 27, 2017 3:22:59 GMT
Omg, the connections there! Super Karmic, for sure. Who dis?
Angle connections too - that's deeply personal.
P.S. Really excited to see Draco to natal connections!!! P.P.S. That Pluto is on your Mercury, albeit a bit wide. Looking at themes...
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